Buygold1

Thanks, I have been watching RYL as that is the one I usually play in the real estate side of things.   DIN is the one that I picked up some puts for on Friday, I just can not resist when RSI gets to 90.  :-)

Richard

Looks like this is it.[the beginning of a move]..Our girl Silver is pulling hard on the rope….

Winedoc

Good …I am glad you always kept it ….it stayed on my mind because of you ….. and it may help down here because I touted it to one of the warlords just a month ago…wheeew…
Andre is doing great…almost 70% done with house on beach…will close it up for a couple months to come back to Nova S and do the best thing he can…get rid of the house up there and relocate…he is now going to sell the boat in Nova S and get one down here with the dough…its something we tossed around because of the dangers Ororeef an others commented on and the costs of the run…but he is healthy as a horse..heck I have a hard time keeping up with him…he seems to be stronger everyday….hold the line there doc.,,,,,

Pinetree

Reports after hours yesterday, profits for the last quarter and for 2009.

For Uranium investors: note that Pinetree’s uranium holdings are just 13% while base precious and base metals are over 60% Rare earths 7%

Therefore is Pinetree still regarded as a uranium play???

Still, hope the market likes the financial report

tinyurl.com/yc9yq4e

Winedoc

Gold Queen

Yep definitely yang. You know I think I figured out something today with watching posts to you and me. Women don’t change their mind, they just clarify misunderstandings.

PM Fever

I agree with the stagflation but we havent hit the tip of the iceberg yet. If the gov and people like Voker wasnt so worried why do they want to reinact the depression era laws like glass which will rock the banks not that they dont deserve a few rocks thrown their way.The gdp can go up despite dept , like when war broke out but only if we had one , no not war, gdp,but we dont. They made sure of that.

guidoamm………..

I only skimmed the first couple paragraphs of Hera’s piece, but in general it does seem to go along the lines of what I think.  I have saved the piece, and I have printed it out for when I have time.  Since I have not read it, let me toss out some thoughts, but it is actually the “short form.”

First, I have pretty well avoided the term “hyper-inflation” since the term can be interpreted to different degrees by different people.  It is much like the inflation/ deflation issue in that way…………with different definitions creating confusion- exactly what the Fed wants, IMO.  As long as people are complaining, they generally are not addressing issues.

Thus, I have pretty well stuck with “stagflation” with heavy stag for a very poor economy since there will be little if any help from the FRB multiplier system into the economy…….and heavy on the flation since the stagnant economy will demand heavy Dollar Inflation/monetization of debt.  This is the opinion of JS as far as I can see.  Thus, monetization of debt essentially gives us Dollar inflation creating Dollar Devaluation, which effects price inflation due to the math fraction involved.

Rather than try to “witch” the amount of inflation that will be created by the time it is all over, instead I am focusing on fractal work I have done with the charts……..kind of like Armstrong has written in terms of similar fractals built up in a pyramid fashion.  The work I have done involves the chart of Gold compared to the earlier similar fractal- the 5th wave of the late 70’s.  The parabola formation for the current time compares very favorably to the 70’s 5th wave both in price and in time. Since parabolas in form are really generated by mathematical equations, then the probability of the almost exact ratios continuing are, I think, pretty good.  JS says the same thing when he suggests chartists use French Curves.

From a fundamental standpoint, all of this makes sense, since the factors that create a parabola in price (including investor psychology) tend to follow a self-defining path- think fear and greed- think past parabolas throughout history.  Thus, the parabolic trend of economic deterioration might generate the govy taking on parabolic amounts of debt that it can only monetize at this point- having chosen that route several years, ago.  I think this is also what JS means when he says, “QE to infinity” or the Fed will be gone………….

After following the fractal comparison of $Gold to the late 70’s for a couple of years, back in 2004 I wanted to see if the same held for the PM stocks using the HUI as a model.  Yet, the HUI did not exist back in the late 70s so I instead picked a lower level fractal (chart segment) of equal degree to use for my model.  I picked the expected May 05 bottom in the HUI to construct the model for the move up into 2006, and then down, again.  The forward looking model played out very well.

I only over the last year have found a bit of a surrogate for the HUI to use for the PM stocks fractal versus the late 70’s.  So far, the two fractals look about like twins (to the late 70’s fractal. ) Ditto the Dow versus the 70’s, but there is an offset in the time component due that is related to the differences in the FRB system between the two time periods……………something I have not had time to work on, yet.

Anyhow, rather than try to “witch” the level of inflation and how that will ultimately affect the markets, I am using the fractal comparisons of Gold, the PM stocks, the Dow, the commodities, etc……..for the issue of expectations for the different markets in both price and in time.  I figure it this way.  As long as the market movements continue to track the 70’s at a specfic ratio in price and in time, it really doesn’t make any difference in terms of how much Dollar inflation since the parabola will only go higher rather than lower.  Also, the same parabolic effect will be seen in all areas of life, be it up or down.

A part of the work has been proving up relationships in terms of “price” and in terms of “value” since price and value diverge in times of aggressive currency inflation, due to the effect of the dominant second variable in the price fraction.  This is the one point that Armstrong missed in his work, probably because he started his work in the early 70’s- right around the time that the currency scheme pricing systems were created along with floating currencies.  Yet, the charts of price and of value have different peaks in terms of cycles so Armstrong was forced to call his model “a confidence model” as he used price charts to create it with the second variable present.  As far as I can tell, the second variable that distinguishes price from value is a potential point of error for all those doing work in the areas of Elliott Wave and Cycle work…………though I have found no instances of problems in the technical indicators as long as one is correctly comparing at an equal Elliott Wave Degree.

As Armstrong has written, the fractal nature of the markets is very three-dimensional, and he believes there is a 4th dimension to it.  Actually, I have only skimmed through about 3 of Armstrong’s writings since he started doing so publicly in late 2008.  The first I read involved his “fractal theory of the markets”- exactly what I started working with, but backwards, since 2002/ 2003.  Someday, I’ll eventually go back and read all of Armstrong’s writings, but he bounces all over the place.  I suspect that is the sign of a very intelligent man, yet sometimes a certain level of methodicalness disappears in that type of thought……….witness the second variable in his work.  As far as the rest of his writing goes, beyond the fractal nature of the markets, Armstrong shows a deep degree of three-dimensional thought in many diverse areas like prevention and cures for economies and economic systems.    Thus, we have those like KitcoB who constantly mix and confuse the different concepts such as a cure for the economy with the issue of Dollar inflation that is at hand.  Yes, the FRB multiplication system is vital to cure the economy, but it is completely unnecessary to create Dollar inflation that will always create price inflation.  For instance, the Dollar devaluation in the early 30s came smack dab at practically same time point in the cycle as the recent move to debt monetization……….realizing that the two are exactly the same depending on a “fixed currency to Gold” versus a “floating currency system.”

I don’t know if I have come even close to answering any of your question, but that is the best I can do this late night, and off the top of my head.  My work is not about trying to “witch” future levels of inflation, nor future levels of debt monetization, etc…………but is all about finding what appear to be long-term dependable cycles that might continue to play out- especially those that seem to be driven by the overall LT currency cycle that is driving price at all levels………then find ways to track such cycles in a three dimensional way including multiple reference point indicators to constantly evaluate the similar progression of the cycles in tems of real-time price and value.  Illusion has recently noted his frustration at being able to find a suitable inflation indicator to make comparisons with.  This is because there is none, as those who run the system do not want anything obvious and direct to be available.  Thus, one could only go to the work of developing someting that is proprietary at best.  This is akin to the problem of needing to separate price and value since the fiat system was developed to create such a dichotomy, and the currency pricing indices were created IMO to “not perform satisfactorily” at the most crucial times in the paper currency cycle……………..just as they did not perform in the late 70’s.

I apologize if the above seems confusing, but it is basically stated as intended. 

Question for PMFever…

Just done reading the Hera piece below. If I am not mistaken, Hera’s thoughts are similar to yours… ?

I know you’ve probably been asked ad nauseam before, but I’d be grateful if you could set out in step-by-step fashion the correlation between monetization in the current environment and the hyperinflationary outcome.

I’m trying to get my head around the hyperinflationary scenario but I cannot see some of the links

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GR

Maybe it;s the hair…..haa ..maybe we don’t have to worry about him too much longer…
Well it’s time for yer factal to start breakin out…Mt.St Helens in 1980 Chile and Haiti IN 2010 30 YEAR CYCLE….
I know I mentioned to you and Farmboy long ago that 1300 Gold would be where we started to see big action in the mids and juniors…why 1300 just a feeling…looking at the sign posts along the way

Maybe It’s………….By Garth Brooks……A song for the times…..

……….and for Frosty to walk by………………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7fM_jAmpWw

Irish……………The Jackson 5?

I think you have been hanging around with the Jamaican for way too long……….

Tweedly Tweet………….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4VCUbL7jsc

Maybe it’s the hair………………………

Goldrunner

I got on Aguilas shortwave radio tonight…guy asked me where I was from..told him Gary Indiana…he asked me what was my call..I panicked cause don’t want to give away Aguilas numbers…..so I said .Jackson 5 U.V…..it is all I could come up with quick…

FGC LOL

“….But Somehow we must discern between lying cheating stealing and murdering for self Preservation and Lying Cheating Stealing and Killing for Political and Financial Gain”

Fully………..of currencies and other reference points….

You showed a chart that suggested that the HUI was in a 5 year bear market against Gold, but……………..

This chart suggests that Gold has not reached a new high against the HUI since 2000……Could that just be an “A, B, C” up?

tentgoldvshui030910.png

And against Goldcorp, Gold is down a dizzying 90% over 15 years.  Does that mean that if one held GG, that today he could buy 10 times as much Gold?

tentgoldvsgg030910.png

 $Gold crashing against GOLD………………

tentgoldvsgold030910.png

 Sucking wind to the tune of 99% versus RGLD for 18 years………………….

tentgoldvsrgld030910.png

 Maybe investing/ trading in PM stocks, then investing the proceeds into Gold might not be such a dumb idea……………..eh?

Fully, I just thought of something……….

If you Cannucks wanted to make hockey a tough sport………………..then why don’t you cut a hole in the ice to hit the puck into like golf…………………instead of that great big net?

Fully…………better watch out……

Mr. “trust and rights” is targeting Toronto, now.  Next he will be targeting pucks.

Hey, floridagold, did you see this one.

tinyurl.com/yh84gky

silverangold

I have a detailed reponse to your outlook…CHARGE!

Sambucu…..for the benifit of theTenters.could you mention the MODE of transportation that the families used toget out of Hitlers grasp again Please…..

Samb………….

No big deal on your comments.  Sometimes it is hard figuring what posts refer to what.  Sorry to hear about your friend’s plight as they sought a better place.  Have a great night, my friend………………………….GR.

For Better or Worse

This morning when everything was down I decided to buy  a few PM shares. I put in my bids at the bid, thinking I’d get hit right away, especially if we are going lower. No luck for two hours so I changed my bids to the ask and over the course of the day I got about 60% fills. Now if we are going lower, I should have been able to buy as much as I wanted at the ask, but it was like pulling hens teeth to get my fills. Lots of small hits to finally get some of them to fill.

We’ll see, but I’m still seeing a lot higher and pretty quick too.

OMG Samb @21:50

Gold Balloon did say the other day that he had received an invitation to direct a ballooning event in Brazil.  What you said was an unbelievable interpretation of what I was referring to.  I’m not in the habit of vicious accusations, here or anyplace else.

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PM FEVER @ 22:14

Well, I got a little ticked off on the Brazil bit. Perhaps, I was a bit too harsh with Gold Queen. There is a story for my anger at, what I consider slurring people with a Brazillian tar baby Nazi brush. I knew quite well a German lady who with relatives of mixed Christian/Jewish relationships, rescued their children, via several boat trips , to relocation to Brazil and Portugal. This was, as the last boats out, prior to the Holocost in Germany.  

I’ll leave it at that.

Frosty………..My vision is pretty simple……..

……………history and the charts repeat…………….fractally speaking, of course.  If they ever stop for some reason…………….FGC will let you know.

Frostbite……….Essentially, I work for God…………

………….and I don’t think he is very happy with you.